Does Society Like Mass Killings?

A con­tro­ver­sial argu­ment I’m sure and the author makes some log­i­cal leaps with­out fully back­ing it up.

But at it’s core there is a very good point. Our soci­ety takes a semi pruri­ent inter­est in this sort of thing and we gen­er­ally do feel oh so much bet­ter after we’ve pointed out what was wrong.… whether we really change anything.

We also have a media that has adapted to get max­i­mum pub­lic­ity and profit from these sorts of disasters.

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Why We Won’t Stop Mass Killings: We Like Them Too Much | Econ201 | Big Think
For­give me if I’ve already offended you with the title of this piece, but I’m an econ­o­mist. As such, I tend to weigh up the costs and ben­e­fits of just about any­thing when try­ing to fig­ure out what it …

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9 thoughts on “Does Society Like Mass Killings?

  1. January 5, 2013 at 07:58

    The writer makes some very sad but valid points.

    The media made a bit of money off this tragedy. As did the gun man­u­fac­tur­ers — when those who fear their guns might get taken away went run­ning with their credit cards & cash to the gun stores.

    I some­times won­der if money wasn’t the moti­va­tor for the media how dif­fer­ent our world would look and feel.

    Heck if we got rid of money as a soci­ety would we then care more about our fel­low humans and less about com­pet­ing with them to have more stuff?

    It’s all very inter­est­ing to pon­der. Thank you for shar­ing this intrigu­ing article.

  2. January 5, 2013 at 07:58

    I read an arti­cle recently (if you’re inter­ested I’ll dig thru my browser his­tory to find it) that showed self-righteous anger acti­vates many of the same areas of the brain as feel-good drugs. Peo­ple are lit­er­ally get­ting high on their own self-righteous anger. So this arti­cle may not be far from the truth. How­ever, I’d be more apt to believe it if the writer were a psy­chol­o­gist rather than a self-described economist…

  3. January 5, 2013 at 08:02

    Money is just a stand in for stuff +Debra Roberts. Take away money and we still want the stuff.

  4. January 5, 2013 at 08:07

    That would make sense to me +Traci Loudin.

    The pro gun peo­ple got really self right­eous in my part of the woods. The hate/paranoia about “oth­ers” and the arro­gance about being a gun owner spew­ing from my co-workers was appalling. And if they actu­ally heard the words they were using they might be stunned at themselves.

    It was a lot like they were high on some­thing. And it makes sense that the brain would boost sero­tonin and adren­a­lin because of the fight or flight response of see­ing it non-stop on the media. Inter­est­ing and that makes sense to me.

  5. January 5, 2013 at 08:56

    +Debra Roberts It would be inter­est­ing to see a world where the media wasn’t dri­ven by the money behind sen­sa­tion­al­ism. It seems awful hard to come by, but it’d be inter­est­ing nonetheless.

    I sus­pect the “high” from sen­sa­tion­al­ism isn’t really restricted to any one side of the argu­ments sur­round­ing these events.  In my part of the coun­try being a gun owner is pretty much the norm.  I’ve heard worry from folks who see gun rights as an impor­tant part of them­selves and a lot of “get them while you can” talk, but I think the peo­ple who are prob­a­bly “rid­ing high” off the uproar are prob­a­bly gun opponents.  

    I’ve seen gun oppo­nents out­right attack gun own­ers, accus­ing them of “get­ting what they want” and so forth… always with that gleam in their eye that tells me they’ve been want­ing to say it in the past but haven’t got­ten enough of a rush to break through their inhi­bi­tions.  There’s prob­a­bly a chem­i­cal high behind it.  I’d imag­ine a lot of them would be a bit stunned if they stopped for a moment and let it sink in how they were really accus­ing their neigh­bors and coworkers.

  6. January 5, 2013 at 09:32

    You’ve got a very valid point +Gabriel Cooper.  I’m sure those who wanted to speak up now had the adren­a­lin laced courage to do it as well.   I just didn’t see that per­spec­tive too much. I live in a gun lovin area of the coun­try too. Around here “if you don’t have a pick up truck and a gun you just aren’t a man.” And that’s damn near a direct quote from  sev­eral of my male co-workers. 

    You know — it’s inter­est­ing because this news event really got me think­ing about how much the media has changed and where our future of media infor­ma­tion is going to be. The reports com­ing from all the major news sources got infor­ma­tion wrong in the first day — name of the shooter, how many were involved, etc — There is such a com­pe­ti­tion to be the first one with the story — some­times I won­der if it’s not bet­ter to hear the story a day later you know? Once more facts are avail­able .  Really the only peo­ple that NEEDED the info right away were those folks in that com­mu­nity or peo­ple who know folks in that com­mu­nity.  The rest of us did not absolutely need to know the whole story right away, you know?

    It’s curi­ous to me that we can now share infor­ma­tion with each other light­en­ing quick and yet it’s hard to keep a per­sonal fil­ter up that says ‘ok — is this real? truth­ful? accu­rate?  am I see­ing all sides of the story before I pass judge­ment or is this just some­ones opin­ion? or is this just mar­ket­ing to get me to buy some­thing?    I really won­der how  our way of get­ting infor­ma­tion is going to effect our soci­ety going forward.

  7. January 5, 2013 at 10:23

    I sup­pose I under­stand cer­tain pieces of their twisted sen­ti­ment.  I feel that being able to defend your neigh­bors and chil­dren when nec­es­sary is part of being a respon­si­ble adult.  Not a respon­si­ble man, mind you, a respon­si­ble adult.  I think the first per­son I ever said that to was my 13 year old daugh­ter when she was ask­ing me about the Sandy Hook shoot­ing and, while I didn’t men­tion guns, the idea of being appro­pri­ately armed was present in the con­ver­sa­tion as much as always being aware of your sur­round­ings, know­ing who needed your help in an emer­gency, and know­ing how to get away quickly. 

    I agree that the media was far too quick to jump on this story and they are doing far too much to breed new killings.  I don’t need to know the guy’s name ever, let alone while there’s still a police cor­don around the scene.  It should not be not the media’s job to assign and pub­li­cize guilt or blame while the sit­u­a­tion is still occur­ring, and it’s cer­tainly not their job to pub­li­cize how easy it is for men­tally afflicted peo­ple to get on TV.

    In my opin­ion, all they really did by bring­ing it out so quickly was make it clear to other lost, hurt­ing peo­ple that it’s easy to end your life with a state­ment heard around the world.  The media made it clear that all they have to do is break a lock on their local school and they have access to a nice, gun free play­ground full of vic­tims mostly inca­pable of defend­ing them­selves. The cov­er­age por­trayed it more or less as a live stage for the world to watch, a place where end­ing a life of men­tal anguish became some­thing impor­tant instead of just another day alone.  

    It’s no won­der psy­chos do this in schools — the whole world reads their sui­cide mes­sage before their body is even cold.  They go right from their mom’s base­ment to live TV, par­ents’ night­mares, crim­i­nol­ogy text­books, and the halls of congress.

  8. January 5, 2013 at 10:26

    My opin­ions on guns and gun own­er­ship aren’t exactly a secret and I’ve cov­ered them thor­oughly in other posts.

    But the key point here is that not only does the media make it worse, but often our reac­tion to the media makes it worse still.

  9. January 5, 2013 at 10:27

    I couldn’t agree with you more +Gabriel Cooper

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