I’m tired of the outrage. I’m tired of the moral superiority and the bullying. I’m tired of the people who seem to think they can behave like the people they claim to dislike because… it’s different. I find myself in the ridiculous position of disliking them more than the bigots they are supposedly opposing.
And I’m especially tired of how social media seems to feed into all of it. I’m not interested in being subjected to people’s self-righteous social awareness campaigns.
I have no wish to vet everything I read, watch or consume to ensure it and it’s author, artist, director, actor, owner, manager is acceptable with whatever is the latest hot topic social issue.
This article says a lot of what I feel, better than I’ve really been able to express it as far as the Card controversy is concerned.
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BREAKING: Orson Scott Card Eats at Chik-Fil-A
samneesupes To the extent that a science fiction author can be famous, Orson Scott Card is famous. I consider myself a moderate fan of science fiction, but if pressed I could name maybe five writers o…
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Well go ahead and defend a bigot then out of “defiance” and being tired of “self-righteousness”. Personally I’m sick of that knee-jerk defense of the indefensible. YMMV. –1
And blocked because you’re clearly exactly the sort of person I despise.
just curious what exactly did this guy do to get everyone upset?
I have no wish to vet everything I read, watch, or consume to ensure it and it’s author, artist, director, actor, owner, manager is acceptable with whatever is the latest hot topic social issue
Hmmm, well firstly, then don’t do that. It’s a free country. Secondly, earlier you claimed this was different then sweatshop labor… and yet this above quote casts a pretty wide net. And finally, you haven’t convinced me either DC or OSC can possibly be the victims of bullying, as I said in the other post, you’re diminishing the term.
Oh it’s no real secret +Gyan Gather. He is not only outspokenly against gay marriage, he’s on the board of an organization that spends lots of money promoting legislation to ban gay marriage.
He has also made some pretty outrageous statements connecting homosexuality with pedophilia.
I really have no idea what you’re looking for here +Steve Warren or how you’re connecting this with sweatshop labor. I was thinking not surprisingly of situations like Chik Fil-A or actors like Tom Cruise. Sweatshop labor is illegal. It’s a fundamentally different thing.
It’s illegal because people got together and exerted public opinion and pressure to change law. They weren’t always illegal, and even now it’s not illegal to use sweatshop labor overseas where it is legal. Regardless the law doesn’t define right and wrong, it reflects a subset of what we collectively believe is right and wrong. The idea that the only way to collectively express that belief and exert pressure to conform is through laws seems silly to me.
As far as what I’m looking for here, I’m just commenting on your post. I think you’re a smart, engaging person and I chose to engage on this topic. Is that a problem?
I think it would be much more effective to shut NOM down than anything else connected with Card.
That all said, while I loved Ender’s Game back in the day, I find myself less able to tolerate his books these days, knowing what he spends his time on. But then again, the same thing happened to my enjoyment of HP Lovecraft after I found out how racist he was, of (early) Gibson movies after I found out what an a-hole he was, and so one. Sometimes an artists’ work is flawed by the artist and sometimes it isn’t.
But you know, I vote with my own feet. I’m not going to pillory you for buying the Superman comics, though I will get upset with you if you donate directly to NOM. I think there’s some difference there.
No, it’s not a problem +Steve Warren. It just seems like it’s taking up an argument that essentially reached an end point last time round.
Got it, I posted on this one because you expanded your view (I quoted that part). And you haven’t commented on my rebuttal that this isn’t bullying anyway in either thread.
Well that was deliberate +Steve Warren. It struck me that continuing along that line was going to end up in squabbling over word definitions and since the discussion had stayed relatively civilized I thought I would just let it lie at that point.
Cool +Eoghann Irving nothing wrong with disagreeing, as long as we’re not disagreeable (as the saying goes).
thanks I guess I will touch on it more in the days to come